new toy

just got myself a new toy Tucan :D

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That looks sweet Gary

That nose looks deadly. Wasent there some sort of BMFA ruling about the radius of glider noses some years ago?

Its covered under article 3667 Mel ( PNF)
Phrase first coined by Mr Andy slopetrash Ellison himself after he did his Jart and Higgins Rodent.

melfyn wrote:That nose looks deadly. Wasent there some sort of BMFA ruling about the radius of glider noses some years ago?

i shouldn't worry about the nose cause if the Glass/carbon wing hits you it will most likely cut you in half :twisted:

The BMFA handbook for gliders general rules says the permitted minimum radius is 7.5mm and shows a little template for checking this. Here - http://www.bmfa.org/publications/rulebooks/files/Ru11-sf1.pdf

From the photo it looks to be just on it. Not sure what the case would be with insurance if it was less

Safest thing is not to worry about it

Gary wrote:

melfyn wrote:That nose looks deadly. Wasent there some sort of BMFA ruling about the radius of glider noses some years ago?

i shouldn't worry about the nose cause if the Glass/carbon wing hits you it will most likely cut you in half :twisted:

Like it or like it not
You can't alter the rules to suit yourself or say ah but ....the wings......
The BMFA insurance is only valid providing that the member involved ensures his/her model complies with the BMFA guidlines.
I agree with Melfyn, That model nose is far too pointy and will not comply.
Maybe you should start getting the funds ready now to pay the compensation yourself for when the BMFA refuse.

I would suggest: -

Check if the radius is definitely less than 7.5mm

If it is then: -

Check these rules affects the insurance

If it does then either modify it oneself ( few landings would probably do this anyway)
Or explain the situation to the supplier and ask for an exchange to a different model or refund (I would think they could hardly refuse if its uninsurable)

My sympathies to Gary!

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phase 6 has been going for years

Looks nice. I like the stealthy look underneath.

Surely not a standard Phase 6 nose! Could check, I have the plan somewhere

But, whatever, if the rules are X then the requirment is Y. Unfortunately I don't think there's going to be any way of getting away from it

Is it measured tangentially

Like I said no need to worry about the nose of the model Gary has just purshased.

Page 36 of the 2012 Website edition.
GENERAL MODEL SAFETY
(c) It is recommended that rounded spinners or safety propeller nuts of the domed type are fitted to internal combustion and electric powered models and that gliders and pusher powered aircraft noses should also be rounded (no needle noses)

Page 88 of the 2012 Website edition.
1.2.2 Dimensions of Model Aircraft

(c) Nose radius on R/C gliders should be of not less than 7.5 mm radius measured tangentially to all intersecting surfaces.

NOTES - The above dimensions and weights refer specifically to competition classes and the FAI definition of a model aircraft.

The BMFA definition for R/C glider noses no longer specifies 7.5 mm radius.

Sorted

2012 handbook website edition HERE

That's cleared that up.

dead easy if you read and interpret the book to your own needs

Gawd...just fly the damn thing - and welcome to the PNF club

Tim wrote:Gawd...just fly the damn thing - and welcome to the PNF club

PNF?

pointy nose flier

Its actually Pointy Nose Fetish. Here's my Jart with the official PNF logo on the fin.

I thought it was "Point N Fly"

Rich wrote:dead easy if you read and interpret the book to your own needs

Apologies to those bruised, the 2012 update seems to allow some relaxation and flexibility.
My alarm arose from an incident we had in Denton Mcr over 35 years ago.
A young girl who had finished riding her horse was walking across the field was hit on the head by a R/C tomboy, on the glide, deadstick, coming in to land.
The girl had already taken off her riding helmet.
She was found to have a depressed fracture of the skull and required brain surgery to clean up the mess. Unknown to anyone she had a very thin skuill.
The BMFA (SMAE in those days) were advised and they helped us deal with the situation.
But a very worrying time for us at the time.
She did recover OK.

No problems for anyone on that score Paul

Happy to bring the dinosaurs into the modern world.

It does pay to update with current BMFA recommendations.